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Why Invent the Jesus? • Richard Carrier Ph.D.

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Did Christianity really begin without a Jesus?
HAAM welcomed historian and philosopher Dr. Richard Carrier to Winnipeg on his Canadian speaking tour, August 19, 2017

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Nate Mcc
Nate Mcc 9 годин тому
We know where Jesus were created from they use a deity from the ancient Egyptian Triad matter fact that use two of them Jesus never existed it took nine hundred years at one of those councils do your history in your research the Bible is not that old
Ravin Bhoite
Ravin Bhoite 19 годин тому
Jesus is live I have experienced him many times In the name of Jesus many are healed in front of me Then how this happened There is something in is name Jesus He is there He is there He is there Praise the lord
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster 7 годин тому
Here’s the truth: if your absurd book of ancient fairy tales was true, you wouldn’t be defending it by making lame posts in UKvid comments, because fictional demigod zombie Jesus promised believers would have *MAGIC PRAYER SUPERPOWERS* "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24), "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20). If any of that were true you'd be out doing miracles, regrowing the missing limbs of amputees and resurrecting dead children--and you could post the videos to UKvid showing this, which would prove that the Bible was true and cause millions to convert to your human-sacrifice cult. However, your lame-ass posts prove that you *DON'T* have any of the promised prayer superpowers, which further debunks your book of ancient mythology. So with every lame-ass post you make on here, you only prove that the bible was false and that the supposed words of Jesus are lies. Great job!
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster 7 годин тому
Jesus was a proven liar and false prophet who tricked gullible believers into killing themselves: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster День тому
When we read tales of a demigod with superpowers who was the mutant offspring of a human woman and a god, whose rotting corpse magically returned to life…such as Romulus, Hercules, Aesculapius, Dionysus, Jesus, etc.---what is the *MOST LIKELY EXPLANATION* ? 1) These are fiction stories, or 2) These are real historical events? We have *LOTS* of evidence for fiction stories, and humans making up imaginary gods and demigods, and false religious claims, and gullible people believing nonsense, and *ZERO* evidence for the existence of demigods with superpowers who die and are magically resurrected. Right? Are the stories more reliable if written by anonymous, biased fanatics of a cult who worships the demigod in question? Are the stories more reliable if the earliest manuscripts were written hundreds of years after the supposed events, by scribes whose works are filled with proven forgery and fraud?
Necroglobule
Necroglobule День тому
That's right, mang. Nobody fucks with the Jesus.
Bold Robin
Bold Robin День тому
In all this truth finding that these people do...the African is always absent. That is where this all began, the invasion of Egypt (it's in Africa) by the Greek.
Samurai
Samurai День тому
Selling Jesus most profitable franchise since 33 AD.
Grey Matters
Grey Matters 2 дні тому
“We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world minority of the world revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” ― Albert Pike
Christian Vazquez
Christian Vazquez 2 дні тому
I can listen to this guy all day hate to see people still brainwashed or actually believing christianity is real especially black people when christianity was pushed on black people during early slavery times
Fortnite and News
Fortnite and News 2 дні тому
1:06:15 - Jesus or Messiah?
Mihai Ciubotaru
Mihai Ciubotaru 2 дні тому
Try " Why invent Yahweh"!!
Fortnite and News
Fortnite and News 2 дні тому
Maybe there is a good sociologial reason that christianity persisted from 4th to 19 century.
Fortnite and News
Fortnite and News 2 дні тому
30:16 - you can find Inanna. She has UKvid channel
peter tuann
peter tuann 2 дні тому
LOGIC!!! any real god would show up and end all debate, once and for all, and if you were god, you would never allow the wrong religions, you would show up and wipe out the wrong competing religions. There would be only one religion on earth, no religious wars, no translation problems, you are god, you can give everyone on earth a copy of your instructions in any language, any format, no priests or translators or bureaucracy needed.
Lance O'Briant
Lance O'Briant 3 дні тому
Wont even though watch this phoney ass garbage....he has no education.... Craig Goldsberry/ O'Briant
Gerard Jones
Gerard Jones 3 дні тому
Jesus was baptized into christianity. But I thought this guy claims there was no such person. Poor sod, he's obsessed trying to prove the non existence of what he claims doesn't exist. Thats a good definition of obsessing.
Ryan McAlister
Ryan McAlister 3 дні тому
It’s all a load of shit religion total garbage
This’s me333
This’s me333 3 дні тому
This gentleman seems very close minded to me. It seems if he can't explain things they must be myth. Perhaps they are symbolic?
Disingenuous White-Boy
Disingenuous White-Boy 2 дні тому
@This’s me333 that is English you stupid useless ass-jerk. learn it or shut the fk up with your "English please" nonsense
This’s me333
This’s me333 2 дні тому
Disingenuous White-Boy English please.
Disingenuous White-Boy
Disingenuous White-Boy 2 дні тому
believing this is symbolic means to not believe the lie it isn't meant to be symbolic, if it were, this entire subject of is Jesus real would not be debated, would it?
antonio volpe
antonio volpe 3 дні тому
Spartacus / Socrates
kauxkaux
kauxkaux 4 дні тому
With the stupid images at the beginning I knew this talk wasn’t worth it. Thanks for saving my time.
Christian Vazquez
Christian Vazquez 2 дні тому
#brainwashed hes on point wth you mean christianity is not real please a pagan emperor Constantine had a hand in the bible wake up dude
Obadiah
Obadiah 4 дні тому
It was deemed A.D. for a reason. Religion was invented as a means to counter the racist writings of the Pro black/brown/negro and anti white/pink/caucasian writers of the old and new testament..... The crusades..... caucasians traveling throughout various parts of the earth killing people who believed in the Black messiah known by his people as Yahawashi, son of the MOST HIGH GOD YHWH/YAHAWAH..... during the renaissance era, caucasians sought to change all the faces of the Bible's main character's painting them as caucasians, The king james 1611 Bible was spread across the earth in mass production, and since the caucasians had taken control of the " church " at that time, they sought to do another mass production of the scriptures taking out what they thought were the worst books which portrayed caucasians as the wicked race a.k.a. ESAU/EDOM of which there is absolutely nothing good said about them neither in the old or new testaments..... 14 books called the Apocrypha ( hidden books ) were removed in this new mass production.. Pope Alexander VI was the father of Ceasre Borgia the caucasian man whose portrait was flooded throughout the earth as the messiah via the crusades.. The Holy Bible was intended to be just that, HOLY means set apart, seperate.... This is why caucasians sought to enslave the people of the Bible ( the negro ) to insure that they would not be a seperate people unto themselves, every thing that the caucasian race does has an alterior motive to keep these people in sin against their GOD as to prevent that GOD from redeeming these people... Drugs, alchohol, race mixing, satanic music, LGBT ect... America says in God we trust, but in reality they do EVERYTHING opposite of the will of the GOD of the Bibe. Khazars ( caucasians ) were put forth as the new fake Jews according to the roman paposie, hint ISH...... jewISH...... something like but not quite... Read Rusian Icons, where the original images of the people of the bible can be found... oh.. it cost about $1500.00. because this information is so sensitive, and a threat to caucasian rule.....
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
If Jesus was black it would have been the last BarBQ.
Deckie Deckie
Deckie Deckie 4 дні тому
What aPh.D has to do w/this subject?....The dude has a bunch of diplomas....but what that has to do w/the issue of Jesus? this is BS!!
Alnivol666
Alnivol666 3 дні тому
Carrier always parades his PhD around because people think that somehow his scholarship matters more because of that piece of paper. It does not. Plenty of creationists have PhD's in biology. They mean nothing. Just like creationists, Carrier takes what we know about that time period and manipulates it to say whatever his already pre-conceived conclusion has to say. That is why he is considered a nobody in the field, basically a conspiracy theorist. It always amazes me when atheist groups embrace this guy. It speaks to the blind spots in their reason.
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
Ah...its about history and verifing the events described in the bible.
Sinthia Vicious
Sinthia Vicious 4 дні тому
If what you are saying about Roswell is true, why was the military so heavily involved? The military has no interest in sticks and tinfoil. The eye witnesses say it was not tinfoil. It was a metallic, thin, foil-like material that couldn't be permanantly creased. It could be crumpled up, but it would bounce back to it's previous shape. It is very unfortunate that One of the eye witnesses, who is a child at the time, turned his sample over to the military at the urging of his father. That was the last time he ever saw the material. We will always have to take the word of the military that it was just sticks and aluminum foil. I will always consider it suspect because I do not trust the military to tell the truth about what they ate for breakfast.
carmine redd
carmine redd 4 дні тому
Richard Carrier is an idiot and liar
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
Triggered by a dose of reality. Its called Cognative Dissonance .
carmine redd
carmine redd 4 дні тому
Caesarion is the living Jesus the Christ the Soter of Julius Caesar is the crown of thorns
Jackie Planck
Jackie Planck 4 дні тому
The only thing standing in between Mankind and Hell is Jesus. The only thing standing in between Christians and the devil's people is Trump
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
Yea Jesus prophesied that a "grab 'em by the pussy" guy would be sent.
Antonio Ferrer
Antonio Ferrer 4 дні тому
Without Jesus, this dude would be starving and homeless. Show a little gratitude, it won't hurt you.
Jeroen Stobbe
Jeroen Stobbe 4 дні тому
I love it how it says THE Jesus.. Makes me want to go bowling! :-P
Aaa 940
Aaa 940 3 дні тому
Jeroen Stobbe “Nobody fucks with THE Jesus”
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
I want to go to 7-11. Jesus works there, it says so on his name tag.
Lamach Horne
Lamach Horne 5 днів тому
The Bible in its entirety presents one simple truth, that man sinned and was condemned to die, but Jesus came and died for us that we might receive the gift of eternal life. If I were to ask someone if they would like to live forever, in a world without pain or sorrow, suffering or disease, crime or wars, I'm sure the answer would be a resounding yes, whether they be atheist or christian. It is indeed a truth so simple, that many who deem themselves wise fail to grasp it. But as you make your decision for or against Christ, consider this. "And Enoch also...prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the LORD COMETH with ten thousands of His saints, to EXECUTE JUDGEMENT UPON ALL and to CONVINCE ALL that are ungodly...of all their ungodly deeds.... and all their HARD SPEECHES which ungodly sinners have SPOKEN AGAINST HIM." Jude 1:14-15. You see, some would have people believe that the historicity, the authenticity of the Bible, of Christianity and of Jesus, can be relegated to a philosophical debate, and the acceptance or rejection of Jesus has no REAL consequence. Nothing can be further from the truth. There is indeed much to consider. May God help us all!
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
Wanting to live in paradise is what drove people to fly planes into buildings. Other than your unsubstantiated claim your god is the correct one is the difference. If you sin and murder why would your children be punished? Same for the rest of us.
Axel Donley
Axel Donley 5 днів тому
For the Christians out there Just read the Epistles He's referring to Yourself and you'll see that what he is talking about makes zero sense, none.! just because you have a doctorate degree doesn't mean you can speak on what's fact and what's not man. Read the word. Those who are never going to read it and don't understand it. You're being led astray and there's nothing I can do for you. You've been given over to your debased minds. But for the children who have been called out Jesus says he's not going to lose any of y'all. just get a relationship with him, know him. The truth doesn't have to prove itself. It just is. And what's so fascinating to me is that people spend the whole lives arguing about something they call fairy tales and fiction. They don't do that with Snow White and Thor and Zeus and all that because they know those are fake. But it's the truth that they can't stand. It's the very fact that they spend so much time arguing against the word that proves it to be true. The word speaks explicitly about people just like him.
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster 4 дні тому
Dr. Burton Mack, professor emeritus in early Christianity at the Claremont School of Theology: "The Gospels are fictional mythologies" www.harpercollins.com/9780060655181/who-wrote-the-new-testament/
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster 4 дні тому
Dr. Randel Helms, professor at Arizona State University: "The Gospels are, indeed-and to a much greater degree than those who read them with pious inattention even begin to realize-imaginative literature, fiction, and critics have been using such terms about them for a long time." Gospel Fictions, pg 11, www.amazon.com/Gospel-Fictions-Randel-Helms/dp/0879755725
Just Sayin'
Just Sayin' 6 днів тому
It’s all bullshit. All of it.
Eros Delorenzi
Eros Delorenzi 6 днів тому
I'm jacking off right now gonna cum soon.
Jermaine Moss
Jermaine Moss 6 днів тому
Maybe you should study kemetic history, but first understand spirituality and you will get why religions are fabrications of African civilization on the Nile river.
Jermaine Moss
Jermaine Moss 6 днів тому
Judaism, Islam and christianity all stole their perceptions of God from an ancient African culture on the Nile river
Jermaine Moss
Jermaine Moss 6 днів тому
It's not osiris but ahsur
felicetanka
felicetanka 6 днів тому
It's true the poor barred at our borders and the holocaust in Europe are the severest criticisms of Christianity.
maudlyn isaac
maudlyn isaac 6 днів тому
Religion is man made. spirituality is not
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster 4 дні тому
Prove that "spirituality" exists.
tuttt99
tuttt99 6 днів тому
Hey, *nobody* fucks with The Jesus, man.
StringGene
StringGene 6 днів тому
If you know what the bible actually teaches, then you can understand why the Romans did not, do not, want you to know the truth... for instance. When people understand what is really going on, "religion" will be a thing of the past:) I can hardly wait:) ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lNx-QNVRYu0.html
cosmic voyager
cosmic voyager 6 днів тому
Religion is POISON.
Clint Montgomery
Clint Montgomery 7 днів тому
It’s a pre-suppositional argument. The implication in the question is that Jesus was created as a fictional figure rather than born a human.
The Dolphin
The Dolphin 7 днів тому
Love this guy's colloquialisms and vernacular. Makes him far more interesting than some stuffy old professor who speaks "properly".
Anne Brit Raaen
Anne Brit Raaen 8 днів тому
When you have met Jesus, your eyes are opened, and you begin to repent. It has nothing to do with churchianity, and everything to do with truth.
stefan stoss
stefan stoss 8 днів тому
this is repurposed from a youtub e with L Krauss a unicorns best friend bbig zero thats it nothing ha sbeen found in the zero i havnt aske dpermission to mention the name of a person gone to the nothing after death in the ancient vedic knowledge resurrected by Maharishi mahesh yogi who had a physiics degree the nothing is various words [ it snot the words but w egotta usethem ]] PARA Purusha Nirvana or simply ABSOLUTE silence Samadhi " pure abstraction " no doubt this sounds familiar it was cognized by unicorns called RISHI so i have to mention another name without permission professor J Hagelin superstrin gtheorist [[[ E8XE8 heterotic ]]] president of @t who approximates Einsten;s unified field with ATMA this was delineated in weekly world press conferences by the maha rishi " hollowness of th ebanyan seed contains the memory of the entire tree " in the beginnin gwas the void said Moses and so it is nothing nothing is no thing an d no thing is non physical and non physical is spiritual and that is infinity all roadslead to infinity
bob Soya
bob Soya 8 днів тому
I can't trust atheists that can't give the origin of their materials so that other people can search for themselves.
SurfK9
SurfK9 7 днів тому
His books not only have all citations to his claims but has passed peer review. Peer review is where reviewers check to make sure his sources are reliable and that he uses the sources correctly. It is very difficult to pass peer review.
bob Soya
bob Soya 8 днів тому
This guy is a fraud. He doesn't give any source for his materials.
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
His lectures are based on his books. Not only are they sourced but also peer reviewed. Peer review is done by independent scholars on the subject who check his source material and his methods too. It is very hard to pass peer review.
Grizzly Echols
Grizzly Echols 8 днів тому
There's no way I'm gonna listen to this little wanker for over an hour. But I do wonder what his stated opinions are of the OT Jewish heroes, e.g. Abraham, David, Moses, etc.
david noone
david noone 8 днів тому
Western Atheism has failed also. Jews teach Crypto-religions such as Holocaustianity. Media monopoly is what counts.
Hara Hetta
Hara Hetta 8 днів тому
I never hit the like button this fast
Eros Delorenzi
Eros Delorenzi 6 днів тому
Will you please smell my ball sack?
David Wilkie
David Wilkie 8 днів тому
Why Politics instead of Science and Technology Journalists?
Byron Reeves
Byron Reeves 8 днів тому
A man can be highly intelligent and still be a fool
SurfK9
SurfK9 7 днів тому
He may be a fool, but his ideas are spot on.
Byron Reeves
Byron Reeves 8 днів тому
If the Doc spent half the time seeking God instead of debunking him he would probably be a Christian.
LAR-OSA
LAR-OSA 9 днів тому
F... you. I'm an atheist and i challenge you to do the same with mohamed and islam. Too scared big boy!
SurfK9
SurfK9 7 днів тому
Then you do it. Or are you more of a coward than him?
Jose Perez
Jose Perez 9 днів тому
I find interesting how he attacks christianity but seems to back Jewish beliefs that are as unbelievable as Christian myths. Anyway, he assumes and I was taught that he who assumes makes an ass of you and me.
Alnivol666
Alnivol666 3 дні тому
@SurfK9 I would advise people to read the works of respectable people in the field, not Carrier if the intention is to be educated. If you want to be propagandized to, then read Carrier. Bart Ehrman is a good popularizer of the basic consensus in the field. As are other several atheist historians who are actually active in the field, unlike Carrier who is only active within the atheist community.
Hannah King
Hannah King 9 днів тому
Whether Jesus existed or not doesn't answer what is most interesting: why does Jesus have such a mass following, why is Jesus such a big deal? Even in Atheists minds - Jesus is a big deal, he exists in history like no other religious figure and provides the solution to life seeming reasonless. Ultimately, the injustice in this world is utterly unbearable to contemplate, and Jesus confirms a solution.
Michael Mallal
Michael Mallal 9 днів тому
They produced some great art work and music.
jenny won kenobe
jenny won kenobe 9 днів тому
Religion is for people who can't think outside of the box.
Disingenuous White-Boy
Disingenuous White-Boy 2 дні тому
religion is the box
gesouix
gesouix 4 дні тому
I mean it's possible. I personally believe I've never had a single original thought in my life. Everything was input from another place. I'm like a bag of meat trying to enjoy eating and fucking as much as possible until the day the thoughts stop coming.
Gods Servant
Gods Servant 5 днів тому
@Thomayam Upright Things don't add up for you and then you call it fake? Sounds like you need to get some knowledge about it before you make a truth statement that it's false!
Cliff Hanley
Cliff Hanley 9 днів тому
Peter has conversations with the angel Jesus? Is Jesus, according to the bible, an angel?
Cliff Hanley
Cliff Hanley 9 днів тому
Jewish demonology? Wiki says, "Judaism does not have a demonology or any set of doctrines about demons."
Holy Ghostbuster
Holy Ghostbuster 9 днів тому
Try doing your own research: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/demons-and-demonology "The Israelite conception of demons, as it existed in the popular mind or the literary imagination, resembled in some ways that held elsewhere. Demons live in deserts or ruins (Lev. 16:10; Isa. 13:21; 34:14). They inflict sickness on men (Ps. 91:5-6). They trouble men's minds (Saul; I Sam. 16:15, 23) and deceive them (I Kings 22:22-23) - but nevertheless these evil spirits are sent by the Lord."
Cliff Hanley
Cliff Hanley 9 днів тому
Where in the OT is there an archangel called Jesus?
Cliff Hanley
Cliff Hanley 7 днів тому
@Jake Jones I found some of it a snore, some of it riveting, especially parts of Genesis. Up there with Homer. Also, I've heard Christians say they found it dull until they became Christians and then it came alive for them. Some of them believe you need the Holy Spirit to make the words come alive for you.
Cliff Hanley
Cliff Hanley 7 днів тому
@Hi, my name is John Wumsh Thanks, John.
Cliff Hanley
Cliff Hanley 9 днів тому
"Wild religious mythologies." Why does he believe that?
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