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Why Invent the Jesus? • Richard Carrier Ph.D.

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Did Christianity really begin without a Jesus?
HAAM welcomed historian and philosopher Dr. Richard Carrier to Winnipeg on his Canadian speaking tour, August 19, 2017

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Gary Mercer
Gary Mercer 5 годин тому
Remember as a child thinking that Grimes fairy tales seemed more valid than the Bible stories. I was eleven and thought the Bible was made up. Maybe I didn’t inherit the religiosity gene.
Kym Moore
Kym Moore 9 годин тому
This guy is talking absolute bollocks and seems to be following some form of Jehovah’s Witness style trend in his view of Christianity.
Quaalude Charlie
Quaalude Charlie 23 години тому
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog , there ain't nothing wrong with the following the Ten Commandments , What's It Gonna Hurt to believe in Jesus ? :\ QC
Lisa McAndrews
Lisa McAndrews День тому
Why doesn’t he talk more about the old testament it was just as bad. All the Jews did was copy what a pharaoh thought.King Tutts father thought there was one God. There’s been other cultures they have thought there is one God. And the Jews just stole it from them.
Lisa McAndrews
Lisa McAndrews День тому
We need to talk about Paul. He was a propaganda machine. He’s the one that hated women.
David Hill
David Hill День тому
Atheist here , I go with the ordinary dude hypothesis . (I might be wrong )
Christina Kirschner
Christina Kirschner День тому
I go with a composite of contemporaneous holy men and their myths. There were a few historical and secular references to a water drawer and a couple healers. Their stories are very proto-Jesus in many ways.
Anna Hume
Anna Hume День тому
He says that many experts views are based on an infrastructure of Christian faith assumptions being raised, as are we all, with this body of faith. And it's so true. So many things from the New Testement we deem as factual turn out to be anything but.
nick281972
nick281972 День тому
What's the difference between receiving divine inspiration and imagining that you are receiving divine inspiration? Divine intervention LOL
777tadpole
777tadpole День тому
Just one more educated fool, I suggest you get on your knees and talk to Him and you just might find out how real He is.
Joe Hinojosa
Joe Hinojosa День тому
You're "explanation" is the Greater Myth.
Alex Stewart
Alex Stewart День тому
Do not let this BSer nor this bunch fool you. THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME COMMUNIST BRIGADE; and they know that for the socialist state to be imposed on all Americans the concept of INALIENABLE RIGHTS HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED (Said Rights are ONLY given to all of US by God, hence no man, nor regime, nor state has any moral authority to ever take them way. And that is pretty much what the US Constitution was written to defend). But how are they trying to take away everybody's INALIENABLE RIGHTS? Little by little with their unsubstantiated nonsense (through conferences by the apparently EDUCATED SLAVES TO SIN, Hollyweird, FakeNews, College Academia, Social and print media,etc)they try to create doubt, so that people's faith in God ebbs away . In this way they are trying to blot out of the PSYCHE of this great nation our beliefs in Jesus Our Lord. They know that if people do not believe in God any longer, their INALIENABLE RIGHTS WILL CEASE HAVING ANY MEANING ...What webs men weave in order to deceive, indeed!
Lawrence Eason
Lawrence Eason 2 дні тому
I don't have enough evidence to be a Christian
Joseph k
Joseph k 2 дні тому
Jesus myth was invented by psychopaths to normalize psychopath ways of being that psychopaths have. Jesus myth makes it so psychopaths have unlimited chances to manipulate people. Jesus myth makes it so a person cannot reject a psychopath if the psychopath says the right thing. You cannot reject jesus based on him being a psychopath because he always says the right thing and manipulative psychopaths want that. An example in today's world would be bill maher. Bill Maher is a psychopath but Bill Maher always says the politically correct thing so if you reject bill maher because he is a psychopath then you are considered evil because bill maher always says the right thing.
Nathan Jora
Nathan Jora 2 дні тому
Since when did Osiris ascended to heaven ? Didn't he do the complete opposite, and become the judge of souls and king of the underworld ?
Christina Kirschner
Christina Kirschner День тому
How is that the opposite? Judging the souls while running the afterlife is spot on; it's exactly Jesus job. Apostle's creed "he descended into hell.On the third day he rose again is is seated at the right hand of the father where he will judge the living and the dead" Spot. On.
auzdeee
auzdeee 2 дні тому
I can fully understand why people leave Christianity and become atheist , what i can't understand is why they assume that if truth isn't in the bible it can never be found? My advice to any sincere person is to search and compare the 3 Abrahamic faiths and not to look for truth out side them. If one empty him/her self from arrogance and humble him/her self , will be able to see the clear truth. Though Jesus is a true prophet of God and his original teachings were from God , Christianity after Jesus by few decades was distorted and became pagan up till today. Jesus came to fulfill the law but Paul the deceiver abolished it , today Christianity is the main pagan cult on earth , that is why Jesus is the only prophet of God who is coming back to put an end to this tyrannical cult. Just look at the western societies how immoral it became , about 50% of people are born out of wedlock (bastards), gay marriages , adultery , after all this you still think Jesus will come back and take Christians to heavens ? Wake up my friends. At the end i strongly say i never intended a slightest offence to any one.
Ronald bessard
Ronald bessard 2 дні тому
What this bigot fail to tell u is that the early images of jesus was black.. the Pope today bows down to a black madonna and her black bambino.
Gaetan A. Cincire
Gaetan A. Cincire 2 дні тому
Ouf ! Your starting point in wrong. You have to see God as the ultimate leader of the time Ceasar then Marc-Antony whom both had child with Cleopatra. A monarchich lineage opposed to the legitimate Roman empire lineage . Jesus was the illegitimate offspring united to Jewish monarchy that gave rise to the Judeo-Christian empire ....The killing of all children under 2 or 3 yo was the ultimate attemp to end that lineage and the calling of a census was, before the night Jesus was born, a way to verify if all offspring was eliminated. Guess what...they were directed to Egypt true an ..''angel'' ie: messanger !
Noah Fleming
Noah Fleming 3 дні тому
So because you dont believe it has to be fictional
Atif Atifa
Atif Atifa 3 дні тому
please take time to investigate the quran,you find the right answer. 39:3 Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him [say], "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever. 39:4 If Allah had intended to take a son, He could have chosen from what He creates whatever He willed. Exalted is He; He is Allah, the One, the Prevailing. He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver He created you from one soul. Then He made from it its mate, and He produced for you from the grazing livestock eight mates. He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, within three darknesses. That is Allah, your Lord; to Him belongs dominion. There is no deity except Him, so how are you averted? 39:7 If you disbelieve - indeed, Allah is Free from need of you. And He does not approve for His servants disbelief. And if you are grateful, He approves it for you; and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you about what you used to do. Indeed, He is Knowing of that within the breasts. 3:45 And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]." That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed. And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ]. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous." She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me. Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
Atif Atifa
Atif Atifa 2 дні тому
@Rich Mc People don't die in fairytales,in real live we all go. Quran 6:25 Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts so they understand it not and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the Signs not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee they (but) dispute with thee; the unbelievers say: “These are nothing but tales of the ancients.”
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 2 дні тому
@Atif Atifa I guess you're not of a higher level still believing in Fairytales
Atif Atifa
Atif Atifa 3 дні тому
@Rich Mc i thought you were of a higher level but i guess you only good in smiling.
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 3 дні тому
@Atif Atifa Someone LIED to you Achi😂 Here are CLEAR contradictions..BEHOLD! 👉What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?" 💣Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2)."We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26). 💣"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59). "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35) 💣."He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4). SO...THERE'S THREE CONTRADICTIONS ALREADY...NEED I GO ANY FURTHER?
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 3 дні тому
@Atif Atifa Surah 85 CLAIMS that the Book is perfect...well, we'll see about that bullshit ↙ A CONTRADICTION occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. 👉 In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a CONTRADICTION since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true!
Maria John
Maria John 3 дні тому
God denys those that denys his son
Doctor Drywell
Doctor Drywell 3 дні тому
Maria John, if your god was good, he wouldn't deny us rational people out there the sufficient evidence required to believe in the existence of his son.
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 3 дні тому
GOOD! Because there's no reason to believe that either one of these Judeo Christian characters are real
Maria John
Maria John 3 дні тому
I'm just wondering why does this Man have such concern about Jesus to go on tour around the world to tell people he is not real hmm is this not the Devil at work ,Why If you Don't believe the proper thing to do is keep it to your self ,That's like me going to Turkey and tell the people the Quran is fake. Now I can see one doing that. But we hardly see this ,So why Why does he care. And if he is so fake why do you have to go and tell people almost 2500 years later you have to really explain if he was fake he wouldn't even be a second thought
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 3 дні тому
That's easy, Maria...He does it for the same reason Christians go around telling their sheep that Islam and Muhammad are fake thusly refuting Billions of people who believe in their religion...Duh!
Setec Astronomy
Setec Astronomy 3 дні тому
You said it, man. Nobody fucks with the Jesus.
Panthera Leo Romanus
Panthera Leo Romanus 4 дні тому
If this guy bluntly dismisses Roswell also without presenting any plausible argument based on evidence, then he must believe that the government tells the people the truth and nothing but the truth at all times. I guess he also believes 9/11 was real as stated and caused by a hand full of goat hearders.
felicetanka
felicetanka 4 дні тому
I think this phd. doesn't trust academia....huh?
Trying to make sense
Trying to make sense 4 дні тому
And so children, leave a bunch of Hydrogen in space and it'll turn into human beings all by itself. It starts with the Santacule, or the first self replicating molecule. The Santacule gave us all life in the Universe. Scientism, believe like your job depends on it.
JohanClaudio92
JohanClaudio92 4 дні тому
Then how do you explain the miracles that happened in the name of Jesus?
Ngum Ngafor
Ngum Ngafor 3 дні тому
@JohanClaudio92 oh I've seen them already. Just not the way people claim.
JohanClaudio92
JohanClaudio92 3 дні тому
Ngum Ngafor hope someday God gives you oppurtunity to see some amazing things.
Ngum Ngafor
Ngum Ngafor 3 дні тому
@JohanClaudio92 Bonke is probably the worst example you could give me. He came to Cameroon in the late 80s/ early 90s. Turned out to be a joke. He was driven out of a town for fake miracles.
JohanClaudio92
JohanClaudio92 3 дні тому
@Ngum Ngafor you should find the Christoan documentary called Transformation. It is about many miracles that happen in the name of Jesus. Many cities changed when people prayed to God. Also watch youtube video about Reinhard Bonke, Smith Wigglesworth, Charles Finney, John G. Lake. This people were used by God to do many miracles. Watch Reinhard Bonke's testimony about what happen when he prayed for sick people.
Ngum Ngafor
Ngum Ngafor 3 дні тому
@JohanClaudio92 that's just faith in general. You haven't really answered my Q but that's cool.
Mike Anderson
Mike Anderson 4 дні тому
Richard Carrier says no historical extra-biblical sources say that Jesus ever existed. Richard Carrier conveniently failed to mention all of the many historical documents that do mention Jesus that are listed in this video: ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vQKxoBpV2NE.html
Mike Anderson
Mike Anderson 4 дні тому
@SurfK9 you still haven't explained why Carrier chose to ignore the many historical documents that reference Jesus the person. Why is Carrier afraid to approach all of that hard historical evidence? Is because it debunks his narrative?
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
There were no CONTEMPORARY sources. The earliest of any kind were decades later. Plus his work was peer reviewed. His sources were checked and verified by peopke very skeptical of these claims. Its very solid work.
Floppy N'wah
Floppy N'wah 5 днів тому
That's how to discover historical truth....Just Assume it's wrong?
nguyon knight
nguyon knight 2 дні тому
Floppy N'wah yes. Assume it’s wrong till proven right
elijah caballero
elijah caballero 5 днів тому
It's simple, Paul was a virgin and used a word according to his understanding, why do you think he was against marriage? All the chads took all da women.
son of perdition
son of perdition 5 днів тому
if humans evolved from chimps then it's safe to say we're getting wor$e, not better😕
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 3 дні тому
No theorists says humans came from Monkeys, they say there's a creature that can be CONSIDERED Ape-like that Humans evolved from.
Baal Diablo
Baal Diablo 5 днів тому
This guy misrepresents Jewish Satan... He adds Christian concepts of Satan to Jewish Satan
Pete Kondolios
Pete Kondolios 5 днів тому
Little Richard is wrong. JESUS IS LORD
son of perdition
son of perdition 5 днів тому
we know not what we do..but blessed are the meek.
David Elstob
David Elstob 5 днів тому
Listening to this makes perfect sense. On the contrary, religion itself is absolute rubbish. You really have to be stupid to believe it, yet ironically some world-renowned scientists are believers. Seems that intelligence and thinking skills don't always go hand in hand. Just how can a scientist believe in the supernatural? It's an insult to science.
David Elstob
David Elstob 3 дні тому
@JohanClaudio92 I'd rather be shallow than stupid. If you believe in witchcraft you really are simple. Tell you what, let's prove this. Get your witch doctor friends to put a spell on me and I bet I'm still alive next year. You should concentrate on real things instead of deceiving people with fake nonsense. Religion was created to control people. While it is true that people are susceptible to believing stupid things, you are a perfect example of this, it doesn't mean they are anything approaching real. They are as real as Superman or Spiderman. That's about it. Not to mention, sick people need medical care, they don't need deceiving with religion. No amount of praying ever helped anybody. It might have given them temporary relief, but it won't cure the long term problem.
JohanClaudio92
JohanClaudio92 3 дні тому
Your shallow mind will makes you deceived. Don't easily make conclusion from a presentation that is subjective. See other presentation too from Christian apologetics. I think if you know the full message of Christianity and know the person of Jesus, then you will understand the awesomeness of it. Man, you have to know that spiritualism is true. If you think it is not true, come to Africa, or Asia, to witness spiritual power, like witchcraft or ghost. Here in Asia, people can kill others with spiritual power. If these things exist, let alone God. These things are scientifically unexplainable. If you dont want to know these things, it is a pitty, shame on your modern materialistic world. It has close your eyes by making you feel okay without God. FYI, Jesus said he come for those who are sick, not for the healthy people, if you think you are okay, having a good life, then you don't need him, But please don't say that people who need God are stupid, it is like saying sick people who need medicine are stupid. No, they are not, they just want what they need. You healthy people dont judge sick people.. or maybe you dont realize you are sick and need the medicine too.
Mr. Dillon
Mr. Dillon 5 днів тому
Soon you all will bow to this Jesus that you say wasn't real.soon very soon.
felicetanka
felicetanka 4 дні тому
Time is relative as the holy bible tells us and Jesus too.
AJ Howeird
AJ Howeird 5 днів тому
Nobody knows when Jesus will return. It's a sin to act like you know it's going to be very soon.
EdwardHowton
EdwardHowton 5 днів тому
Richard Carrier: "Here's all the evidence I have, carefully sourced, with the original documentations and not the most recent carefully-edited modern versions most people are merely vaguely aware of (if even aware of them at all) to prove my point." Christian apologists, in rebuttal: "Nuh. I win."
Daniel Eyre
Daniel Eyre 4 дні тому
Except Richard Carrier never has any evidence let alone any "original documents" only hilarious crap pulled form his arse....
Eis Vogel
Eis Vogel 5 днів тому
"Religare" means re-connecting between man and god(s). So, it means that cause there is NO god there is no son of god. This whole lecture is as useful as explaining why "The never-ending story" can't be true. A true waste of time to watch this and even try to listen to all of this rambling. Simply said: Because there are humans, there is/are god/s. Not the other way around.
Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez 5 днів тому
Tonight many are agonizing many in turmoil many in pain many suffering, from illness, desese, accident's & unfortunately murder, Those who don't believe in Christ or in God, ask the question, Why would God allow good people suffer, The way men have explain the Bible throughout centuries led many mis inform, it is written, since men want to believe in a lie than a lie through their knowledge will they believe, to understand the Bible you must recognize the world we live in and who realistically causes hell on Earth, is our brothers our sisters our mothers & father's, sons and grandparents who create habbic on people they make enemies, the Bible is a warning who we are what we do And what we believe, is not God, no matter the denomination or religions they all believe God their way, we must believe God his way, Not our way resulting in confusion, Here's an unfortunate example of people who desire truth and unable to reason how the Love of God is reveal by what he cannot fanthom.
Paul Neilson
Paul Neilson 5 днів тому
If jésus never existed then the fish symbol on the newly discovered crypt in Jerusalem by the naked archaeologist could be the tomb of the prophet Jonah. To further cripple the masses the flat earth theory was developed and amazingly has found new droves of ignorant followers. All I want is my own, personal, jesus.
Pedro pepe
Pedro pepe 6 днів тому
fuck man, the comment section is full of prophets
Acsion42
Acsion42 6 днів тому
1:14:35 Oh to live in 2017
Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt 6 днів тому
I have rendered the exposition of all the Gnostic Gospels. Unless a female becomes a male she cannot enter into the Royal Kingdom of God Elohim, Allah, Parbrahm, etc. If you understand this, then you would know why we are "Fishers of Men"? GET IT TRANSLATED INTO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND SEND. ATOMIC WAR PREDICTION - MATT. 13V24-30 - 14/05/2023. The Bible has all the answers for the twice-born of the holy spirit, “common sense” or Surti. “CHOSEN PEOPLE” have the Keys to this Secret: - Abram = Adam, Sarah = Eve and Promised Land = Garden of Eden. “Abraham” is the “Father of the Faithful”. Watch my UKvid videos on Hajj for “The Kingdom of Heaven”:- www.gnosticgospel.co.uk/faithfat.pdf ISRAEL WAS ESTABLISHED ON 14/05/1948 + 70 YEARS OF FULL PROTECTION TO MAY, 2018. UKvid Video: - ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hDOp3bEfgFI.html Then, Real Tribulations world had never seen before for FIVE years to May 2023 when ATOMIC WAR COULD TAKE PLACE. Our Supernatural Father God (Elohim, Allah, ParBrahm, etc.) knows better. Grim American Jewish Reaper waving sickle to kill more in Venezuela as they did in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc. www.gnosticgospel.co.uk/GrimReaper.htm REMEMBER THAT PROPHET ELIJAH, JOHN, THE BAPTIST CAME TO LOOK AFTER THE CREATION OF DEMIURGE LORD YAHWEH, BRAHMA, KHUDA, ETC. FOR REINCARNATION WHILST OUR ANOINTED ELDER BROTHER CHRIST JESUS DELIVERED US GOSPEL OF OUR SUPERNATURAL FATHER FOR SONS OF ELOHIM, ALLAH, PARBRAHM, ETC. FOR RESURRECTION. No raw brick, no baked brick; no born of water, no born of Allah. KUDRATT KHUDAYE DI (NATURAL CREATION FLESH + SOUL IS OF YAHWEH); NOOR BY GRACE IS OF ALLAH (FLESH + SOUL + HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH IS COMMON SENSE, SURTTI, ETC.) Over 7100 UKvid Videos; channel nijjhar1. Free Seminars. Email:- Nijjhar@gmail.com What is the Gospel Truth? Truths are of two types; natural truth that applies to the physical nature of Yahweh, Brahma, Khudah, etc., which is “seen” by the two natural eyes and it is “relative”. The other is spiritual Truth, which is of our Supernatural Father God (Elohim, Allah, ParBrahm, etc.) and as it is Light, NOOR, it is only “perceived” by the Third eye of logical reasoning; no relativity applies to this “Absolute Truth”. Here is a video:- ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WGuAme-ThNI.html Donald Trump would make Jews run for Israel to fulfil Matt. 13v24-30, which Hilary couldn't. ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4TgQqovWous.html Child-like Donald Trump has pressed the Tribulations Button on 14/05/2018 by declaring Jerusalem to be the Capital:- ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-irkVWe7hsOU.html Seven simple questions:- 1. What is the difference between Yahweh, Brahma, Khudah, etc. and Elohim, Parbrahm, Allah, etc.? 2. What is the difference between a Priest and a Royal Priest? 3. Why Yahweh created Adam first and Eve out of the rib of Adam and not both together? 4. Why a woman cannot “teach” the moral laws of Moses/Scriptures but she could “Preach” Gospel? 5. Why Jesus made a whip and beat the traders when He Preached that if someone hits you on one cheek then present the other? 6. What are the names of the Prodigal son, his elder brother and the father? 7. What is the difference between the “kingdom of heaven” of the Rabbis and the “Royal Kingdom of God” that Jesus ushered in? Why Jesus is not the Lord: - ukvid.net/video/%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-__X89iAI_cE.html URL:- www.gnosticgospel.co.uk/sikhism.htm - Menorah:- www.gnosticgospel.co.uk/Menorah.pdf
Boomer Blamer
Boomer Blamer 6 днів тому
Average life expectancy is 48? Someone doesn’t know his stats... try people who lived after 30. It’s closer to 70. Also, “AD” doesn’t mean “after death” Also, the earliest gospels are dated to only a few years after his death. Timeline is already poorly researched. Myths throughout history develop over a lot longer timeline. So this makes no sense... The amount of false information included in the first few minutes of this is astounding.
SurfK9
SurfK9 4 дні тому
You have been misled to timelines and dating.
Bo Astrom
Bo Astrom 6 днів тому
Even worse: why invent the Jew and Israel?
0nly This
0nly This 6 днів тому
Paul seldom alludes to apparitions but rather to revelations, revelations culled from the Hebrew Scriptures: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES". Such "news" had previously been revealed to Kephas, the Twelve, 500 at once, James, all the apostles - before being revealed to himself. Paul, in turn, is delivering the "news" to his own correspondents, citing his sources and appealing to authorities evidently known to them. - no differently than any modern preacher.
Rich Mc
Rich Mc 3 дні тому
So basically, Paul was just PARROTING some shit he heard or read from the Talmud or Tanakh...right?
pearler uanir
pearler uanir 7 днів тому
How long is "and the" ? Why did adam have nipples ? and john 3:13 is an interesting statement ;). If eve was still adam and adam was told by God not to eat of the tree of Life nor the tree of good and evil ... . Then God created eve, how could she not eat of the fruit without dread and how quickly did eve give adam to eat ? I mean she had knowledge before adam . I would think she would rather adam not eat, of it ;). Just another day ,in the world :).
Peter Manz
Peter Manz 7 днів тому
Atheists are alway obsessed with religion.
Tim Q
Tim Q 6 днів тому
@Peter Manz -- belief in a deity is also not a prerequisite for doing wonderfully good things. Also, belief in a deity also does not prevent a person from doing evil things. Therefor the belief in the deity is completely irrelevant to actual human behavior (PS Hitler believed in the same God white supremacists still worship to this day.)
Peter Manz
Peter Manz 6 днів тому
Mao, Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, belief in a deity is not a prerequisite for evil doings.
Tim Q
Tim Q 7 днів тому
@Peter Manz -- atheists are not as unfamiliar with zealots, history has shown them time after time just how dangerous they are to society -- no matter which way they are facing.
SurfK9
SurfK9 7 днів тому
@Peter Manz WTF? Do you think that makes any sense?
Peter Manz
Peter Manz 7 днів тому
Depends which way would the porcupine be facing?
Winston Grettum
Winston Grettum 7 днів тому
Waste of a human being.
Tim Q
Tim Q 7 днів тому
how christ-like of you to say. It always amazes me that those who claim to be the most religious are often the first to behave like satan.
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
the source document is not the source the physical event described in the source document is the source
Tim Q
Tim Q 7 днів тому
and the physical event must therefor leave behind physical evidence. Since no physical evidence was left behind, there were no other witnesses to write about the physical event that the authors conspired to fabricate.
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
generisk analyse alle religioner er bygd på de samme prinsippene
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
faith is a concept just like bliss is a concept
yolo name
yolo name 11 годин тому
don't cut yourself on that edge there bucko
Alhucema DM423
Alhucema DM423 5 днів тому
Faith, much like Belief is something stupid people do.
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
The Gospel are Allegorical
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
we not use a first principle approach and establish a pre hypothesis
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
3:28 in roman littérature he was mention once as a fool with a crazy following
Tim Q
Tim Q 7 днів тому
except that mention you speak of was actually written 50 years after the supposed crucifixion. We literally have zero written evidence for the miraculous Jesus at any time close to his supposed lifetime.
Lekestue
Lekestue 7 днів тому
hypotese1 : det var aldri en Jesusfigur hypotese2: Jesus var en vanlig person som de bygde myter og historier rundt
Gordon Goodman
Gordon Goodman 7 днів тому
Why invent a story that Jesus was invented?
Gordon Goodman
Gordon Goodman 7 годин тому
@Tim Q Nonsense. You are like a blind person arguing that colors are a delusion.
Tim Q
Tim Q 8 годин тому
@Gordon Goodman -- except what you call the "living god" is just as ridiculous to someone who can discern reality as all the other gods you think are a delusion.
Gordon Goodman
Gordon Goodman 8 годин тому
@Tim Q Of course man made gods are a delusion. What a dumb thing to say. The living God forbade such practice.
Tim Q
Tim Q 9 годин тому
@Gordon Goodman -- the man made delusions of god are not only unjust but chaotic, therefor the man made god does not exist. I argue the impossibility of god using the delusional context of his followers because it is literally impossible to argue about an imaginary being without a reference point -- and the only reference point that exists is the one from those that created the delusion. Just because you fail to comprehend that simple truth does not mean my mind "is not made up"
Gordon Goodman
Gordon Goodman День тому
@Tim Q Is your argument that God does not exist or that God is unjust? Make up your mind.
Amy Cakes
Amy Cakes 7 днів тому
Why forget Horus?
Kenneth MacLeod
Kenneth MacLeod 8 днів тому
Love how the presenter says 'not to say there wasn't an actual person named jesus'...later goes on to say 'there is no historical jesus' lol
Kenneth MacLeod
Kenneth MacLeod 6 днів тому
@Tim Q Well there most certainly was a historical Jesus who was crucified. Even atheists acknowledge that fact even though they don't want to.
Tim Q
Tim Q 6 днів тому
@Kenneth MacLeod -- almost certainly. Even bible scholars will tell you that. Most bibles even have that information in the footnotes, but no one in church seems to notice.
Kenneth MacLeod
Kenneth MacLeod 6 днів тому
@Tim Q Pretty sure Paul's epistles were written before the gospel of Mark
Tim Q
Tim Q 6 днів тому
@Kenneth MacLeod -- there are references to Jesus outside the bible that were written no earlier than 50 years after he supposedly died. It would be the same as me writing about Gandhi and using that as historical evidence. Not one word of the New testament itself was written until long after Jesus passed. The writer of the book of Mark made a mistake that actually dates his book to no earlier than 64AD! (15:7)
Kenneth MacLeod
Kenneth MacLeod 7 днів тому
@Tim Q There are references to Jesus outside of the bible though
Dave BongoSlide
Dave BongoSlide 8 днів тому
My hobby is the study of law, and withing that it seems its al lin 3,s religion symbols and astrology, so with the bible and 10 commandments, it's interesting to follow the religious path as well, learning of joseph and the volter bible, I come to realise just how ignorant we all are, as we do not question a king James shortened bible as truth, then as governments send you letters in all capitals up the person you have and not you the human, the grammar in the bible is a fiction as the word LORD is not only in all capitals the first letter L is twice as big, so the king James bible has fictionalised the LORD, so when you swear on the holy King James bible your swearing on a fiction,, grammar is all-important to the law society, so grammar must also relate to the laws they craft from the bible, more evidence of perversion and twist for someone own end, there are 16 gods in law yet we swear on a book now fictionalised by its bad grammar, this must be a construct of there magic, their trickery, as they CAST SPELL on us with there SPELLing, its all very clever stuff we have been apart of there matrix of servitude towards there greed of power and ego would you not agree?
SurfK9
SurfK9 7 днів тому
Please don' try any of your ideas in a court of law. Unless you want to share a cell with Bubba. The capitalization of your name was the sovereign citizen give away. Totoal bullshit.
Matthew Stokes
Matthew Stokes 8 днів тому
God 'invented' Jesus - and you, too... You know the rest...
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